you brought up sec, and you know it does civil side, we -- capital pay a big time fine, then later fbi arresttd one of the top guys in the firm. it made big time news. could we see the beginning of something different? maybe beginning of a serious crackdown on individuals who were responsible for action that lead to the fines rather than firms shielding the employees from criminal behavior that to be quite frank with you, someone that steals a loaf of breadth doebreadthdoes more time than st sales a million dollars. >> sometimes it old game of spin the bottle, there are so many people out there in law everyone force am, able -- law en forbes am. enforcement. you cannot catch everyone,. charles: we're seeing some federal judges say, we do not accept these deals go back and redo them, it might involve jail time? >> well when you think about a judge, you close our wyes you eyes, rakoff, high said not just about share olders i'm a judge. -- i am closing my eyes to the truth. and as a judge, since in this case, he or she the. judge has to approve it, this particular judge says, no, i don't